Yep, the same issue is more or less true in the beam/pulse comparison.

It's pretty obvious that the dps buffs to some of these medium sized long range weapons went way too far.

Again, dont forget heavy missile launchers.

mm.. cruises got overbuffed

Will arti/autocannons get some close attention in near future?
What the one of their stated biggest advantages? Its diversity of damage types they can deliver... with t1/faction ammo. But not with t2, for some reason. We have t2 versions for only 2 t1 ammo types - AFAIR they are nuclear and fusion ones, and this effectively ties us to explosion/a little of kinetic damage type if choosing to use t2 ammunition.

And as for those that already in game, here is a quote from eve university's wiki:
"Hail does a lot of damage, on paper. Unfortunately it also cuts your tracking speed by 30% and falloff by 50%. (It also cuts your optimal by 50%, but you didn't want that optimal anyway, right?)
When fighting large, stationary targets, Hail may actually be useful. Generally, however, Hail's penalties mean that other ammunition will actually do more real, applied damage even if Hail offers the best on-paper damage. "
Quake t2 arty ammo has a similar reputation, and for good reason.

And I've heard quite the opposite more than once. I can't claim that I was able to compare all weapon systems in the game, though. Well, for sniping purposes where alfa is only thing significant its doing well, as for others fields of applications, I wouldn't be so optimistic.
But, regardless of said before, I don't asking for somehow boost projectile ammo. I'm just asking for preserving its initial flavor - variety of damage types. Which for some reason unknown to me were preserved for drones and missiles, but not for projs.

Than how about that sentry drone thing, with ability to transfer sentrys from all over the gang to one particular fast locking boat which will allow for almost instant kill with enormous alfa of even highly tanked BSs? How soon it will be fixed, if at all?

Actually the real problem right now is more Sentry Carriers in null. From what I can tell the Domi doctrine actually grew out of that.

Doesn't work in low-sec unfortunately.

You're certainly right that this is a FOTM fit, it's just one that likely won't go away until CCP change the mechanics on drone assist. Spider tanking Sentry carriers/Dominixes is pretty damn scary as things go and while changing drone assist won't change that it will at least mean someone besides the FC needs to be at the computer for the fight >.>

In reality the issue with drone assist is that you can watch-list 15 people out of the fleet and switch targets without having to actually lock someone just by changing who your drones are set to assist on. This can be used to completely bypass lock times which is especially relevant for a carrier fielding 10-15 damage bonused Sentries. This makes the fleet doctrine extremely resilient in the face of everything from electronic warfare to simply damage because no one needs to fit Sensor Boosters.

Also while I agree that hot-drops are an issue I think the drones thing is likely going to be easier to fix

The problem with this is that it penalizes attackers overly much by scattering them around the system, could put capital ships in a position where they can't even warp to a celestial due to low cap, and generally amounts to a massive defender's advantage in any fight. It also hurts Jump Freighter logistics massively.

It certainly fixes your complaint with small-gang hot-drops but breaks large fights.

Except that generally "in a huge blob and all in one place" is exactly where you want people. Dropping everyone all over the system gives an even remotely prepared enemy time to scan down half your capital ships, tackle them, and pop them.

Dreadnaughts take about 30 seconds to align and warp, if you have probes out when the fleet hits the system you can have people on-grid with these ships before they can align out without even taking into account the time for orders to go out for them to assemble somewhere. It wouldn't even be that hard, just have probing ships outside a staging POS in command of pinning squads, they start furiously scanning as soon as the Cyno drops and with the size of a Dread or Carrier they won't even need to be very tight in their probe formations in order to get a lock. Immediately warp the squad to the signal, tackle, and drop a kill wing on it (which is easy because it's capped out from the jump and trying to regen with cap-boosters). Now the attacker's have lost half their capitals before the fight's even really started.

It's what all the cool kids are fielding now. :D

more stuff...

CCP rise, was the tracking of the artillery guns overpowered in comparison to the other weapons, pre-patch?

The 15% to ROF was pretty pointless imo. It only reduces the cycle time by 1 second and i think it would have been better if you increased the damage multiplier by 5% to play to the strength of artillery weapons.

Please reconsider this action.

Bingo, you go it kid!

Who gives a damn about DPS when the alpha strike is the most important factor? Personally, i would prefer to apply that damage better (+5% tracking) over being able to shoot 1 second earlier.

no i compared right those things.. cruise missiles does less dps than medium beam laser with legion.

Well if you want some numbers.. my friend geared up legion and got with her skills 1050 something dps out of her legion. i made up navy raven geared with full set of cruise missiles and the added low slots with ballistic control systems. i used evehq to run what it is with max skills for the cruise missiles... got about 907 dps

the legion was incursion used legion.. so relies on logis to do teh job. and aint it bit overpower anyways if 6 medium beams can compete with 8 cruise missiles?

go check out his other fits in command ships topic , as good as this...

well if we consider pvp situation.. what will you get accomplished with 160km range? nothing. all your targets can escape wery well.. some even before missiles have landed. most of the pvp fight i have had on my hands been close range where missiles can't compete at all... on long range fights if the opponent decided to stand still... on distance of 160km where some long range large turrets can really hit.. lands 3-5 hits before those missiles have arrived on its target.

Turret ships have also wide variety of modules to help them... there is those heatsinks, tracking computers, remote tracking links... eve ntarget painter can help turret. what we have for missiles? ballistic control and target painter. no range extension for example.. nor flying speed improvements to get closer to turrets insta hit. You could claim that missiles hits always when in range. For many respects turrets and missiles are under same rules.. target speed affects to both, target size affects to both. you try to compensate that target speed by increasing tracking speed. while missiles have nothing really to modify effects of targets speed on missile. you could call immediately webs.. but webs are used also by turrets. target size modifier? there is painters that can work for both. and so much more... for this i don't take skills nor rigs into picture.

tackler still would be the one being murdered even if we would try to keep range where missiles would be better

so big ignorance from turret users. that time it takes for missile to reach target... u can leave without fear